As I have said before, they tend to be overall more conservative, especially the Europeans, and especially so the father you get up the economic ladder. Also, it’s cool that you can seat three in the front bench seat. The winner? I have not seen anything on durability for police use, but knowing generally how that process works, probably had more to do with parts and maintenance prices. Too bad the 3.1 didn’t deliver any kind of “Euro” performance. If you dropped off a passenger, and they unfastened the seatbelt to get out of the car, you either had to re-fasten it, or listen to the warning beep until you stopped/re-started the engine. Carmine, one cannot argue about what our baby boomer generation (of which I am one) has wrought on this country. Afterwards Ypsilanti sued and wanted their tax incentives back among other things. Search Bar 4. They sold out GM’s long-term future for short-term profits, never understanding that better desogn and materials could lead to repeat business. Chrysler is in 2013 at roughly the same share it had in 1962 (admittedly a bad year for them). Awful excuses for cars. C’mon Eric…what could possibly go wrong with an interference engine that looks like this? Most of that crap happened in the 70s. That’s funny, MY uncle Tim owned a first year W-body Cutlass Supreme, but in coupe form. Search. Save $218 on Used Chevrolet Lumina Z34 for Sale. I never spent much time with them even when I was selling Chevys (in the early 90’s) but experiencing them later did bring about an appreciation. I found the 2 door more attractive than the Chevy Beretta. That ironically, is the complete opposite of what has happened in the truck world. The leather seats had air holes and the texture and color made it look like large areas of band-aid material. It is no secret that the Honda Accord was largely the same mechanically and structurally (even if the body changed) from 1982-1997. The gigantically wide dash had three gauges – speed, gas, and temp. No way I would have bought one due to the maintenance nightmare (outlined below) of the 3.4l. (~150K miles) to make room for our Sienna. 1991 Chevrolet Lumina Z34 Boring Quality Auto Sales / Boring, OR FIND YOUR AUTO INSURANCE When shopping gets hard, keep it simple and save an average of $536* with State Farm. Even a few Achievas and Auroras. Mohammed writes: Appearance: Performance: Quality: Overall: 1 4 5. Actually these cars are pretty hardy beasts overall if you stuck to the tech IV or 3.1 V6. The Monte Lumina’s dohc engine made good power, but the interior was atrocious. Shop millions of cars from over 21,000 dealers and find the perfect car. After a certain point for certain owners, even a Rolls Royce costs too much to repair. We know GM had Proving Ground testing—so what did the internal analyses and durability tests reveal? Here in the rust-belt, it seemed that every other Lumina you saw sported a low-hanging rear emergency brake cable with a rusted piece of metal attached to it ( which I assume was attached to the body at some point ) that looked like a metal clothespin weighing the cable down even lower. They simply convinced themselves, “if we build it, they will buy it,” which their absurd sales projections show. It’s not abandonment to the elements, so much as it is a well-earned tortuous death. When determining a value for a daily driver, it is recommended that the subscriber use the low retail value. And that was with 53K miles. I found the GM ones the least annoying of them beside airbags, the Japanese “electric cigarette remover” was much more of a pain in the ass. Some of that management insularity came from that, just like the federal government is dealing with now. Too many things had already happened up to that point. I am sure, even if the engine was as reliable as anything on the road, probably would have given fleet mechanics fits to deal with. I should ask him how he thinks the W body evolved through those years. Ironically, another guy that I worked with who was affiliated with the Buick Regal GN/GNX project, had a Lumina Z34 coupe with one of the ultra rare 5 speed manual transmissions. Mine went like a hundred or so miles after 60K. Back in junior high, one of the carpool moms had a Lumina sedan. 2. They weren’t traditional enough to sell to the aging customer base, and they were abandoned by anyone likely to have a kid in their household. Speed bumps made the car completely loose its concept of gravity. Frequent biz travellers with VIP memberships can get free upgrades, so back in the 90’s could have reserved a Tempo/Corsica and actaully get a W-body/Taurus. It begs the question: which GM did you love? They were successful in making the nose dive and the tail go high in the air but as far as stopping the car they didn’t do quite the job in panic maneuvers. The featured car is in very good shape, but oh for the love of God, what an awkward design! “Biggest boondoggle of the Roger Smith Era”. Your email address will not be published. My 89 Escort GT also had the horizontally mounted, pointed at the firewall oil filter. Yes, that 2.8l had a unique sound that I could hear coming from a block away, with a 99% accuracy rating! In the small town in Minnesota where I went to high school this was the h.s. Chevrolet punched out of the H-body when full size sales started to rebound and the Luminas design was passed on to the W-body, but it was larger than the rest of the 1988 GM10’s (in another “why GM?” move) so it ended being delayed, again and Chevrolet soldiered on with the1982 vintage Celebrity for another couple of years before the Lumina finally came out. Now the LX platform is underpinning most larger Chrysler products. Did the thirteenth floor have NO ONE with the integrity to speak up for the customer’s interests? I once lusted after the a white Z34 coupe. It’s a mysterious thing.” (wikipedia). The Euro Celebrity, I later found out had a four cylinder engine. While he owned it, we took a family vacation to California (only time I’ve ever been west of Buffalo) and my parents rented a base model Lumina. Vehicle Highlights Has Been in Same Collection for … Like the APV my parents bought, these cars had a lot going for them. The exhaust tuning on the Euros was also quite throaty. The problem with that strategy is simply size control. My wife drives it every day and she says she gets a lot of compliments on it. I dont think these are interference engines, I lost a timing belt on a 93 Grand Prix and it didnt crash, the belt change interval is 60K, not 60K and 1, 60. Valiants were cheap. For me, the design was equally uninspired. Toyota and Honda dominate the compact and midsize sedan markets in the US, and do well on the luxury sedan, but compete rather poorly outside of those markets. And I agree that one of GM’s mistakes has been to vacillate too wildly between being trying to be leading edge and conservative. PLEASE. In some ways, it almost hertz to see it go. You’re talking about the UAW. The mileage was 33 MPG.I have faithfully changed the oil and filter every 3000 miles, as I do all my vehicles. Find 4 used 1991 Chevrolet Lumina as low as $14,000 on Carsforsale.com®. It has 161K on it. Why the god-awful seat belt design—was it a case of “we must use whatever we invent”? Of course none of these cars exist anymore because the market for them is gone. Did you know J.D. They had some sort of forward-bending arc to the shape of the door frame. In 1990, when searching for a new car, I looked beyond “sportiness” and cared more for ergonmoics. My wife has an 08 GP. Squared-off wheel openings on a car with “aero” pretensions is not the best look, and that may be the single ugliest rear spoiler ever; from the side it look like the trunk has been left ajar. But, by 1990’s no one cared about silly gimmicks as they did in the 1950’s. 3-series chaser, anyone ? I was going to drive down this famous road in a “sports sedan”. When shopping gets hard, keep it simple and save an average of $536* with State Farm. Can you imagine that? Unfortunately, the Lumina wasn’t anywhere near as hardy. But of course they could charge $500-1000 for that Eurosport package that was nothing more than trim differences and a few badges. Interior Color Silver. One problems with the 3.4, along with others, was that the other cars that it was going to be used in never came to be, it was designed to be used in the FWD GM80 F-body and as the high performance engine for the the 2nd gen Fiero. He really planned to do this, but planned to lease. (I may step into it a bit with this statement but understand the logic) One of the arguments that I used in supporting the bailout of GM and Chrysler a few years ago was the preservation of choice in the marketplace. I unlocked the door, pulled up on the handle and felt NOTHING – it was as though the door was still locked. 1991 Chevrolet Lumina Z34 5-speed (man. Most usable ‘as-is’. Only when the coupe’s name was changed to Monte Carlo in 1995 did sales take off — production reached 93,000. The controls mounted to the steering stalk felt as though they wanted to snap off in your hand. Boy , that’s got to be a l-o-n-g list! As it aged, the dash became even more mis-aligned than when it was new. Toyota is now suffering from some of the same problems that had plagued GM, IBM, and other large market dominating organizations that have faced changing times. It came standard with the FE3 sport suspension package, the 210 hp LQ1 V6 engine shared with the Lumina Euro 3.4 (sedan), the five-speed Getrag 284 manual transmission, dual exhaust, and four-wheel anti-lock brakes. 9. Not so easy to do in practice even for the limberest teenager. Of course all of that came to an end by the early 1990s recession when GM ran out of money and car sales declined. It was black, leather interior, with the sport suspension that was basically the Super Coupe suspension (it was canned at the end of ’95, I believe) with factory 16″ wheels and the 4.6. It wasn’t until the European and Japanese economies reached competitive levels in the 60s and 70s that they were able to compete on global scale. It was good enough in 1975, but it was not good enough in 1995 or 2005. Ford used motorized ‘mouse belts’ and GM had the whole seat belt apparatus in the door, ostensively so the driver/passenger could get in and out without unbuckling. But to the rest of the world who had not been driving Chryslers for 30 years, they were fabulous. the coastal mentality. Iacocca decided to massage them to make it through until all of the FWDs percolated and they were all dropped. To be honest, I think it looks better than the second generation. the market was filled with choices that were interesting at the time. PS: Paul; If these were the rental queens you say they were, how come at every Hertz I rented from back then stuck me with a Topaz or Tempo? $119.99. The Taurus (was a 92) needed that kind of attention all the time. I think that Roger was largely right about the fact that his existing customers would keep coming back. I am absolutely smitten with the clean, angular lines of the car, it seems to be moving whilst standing still. This 1992 Chevrolet Lumina Z34 is an exceedingly hard-to-find manual transmission model and sought after by collectors of Chevy’s few performance models from the early 90s. The biggest difference between GM, and to a lesser extent Ford, and to a lesser extent Chrysler (historically) and the Japanese and Europeans is that the domestics always tried to offer a broad range of vehicles. Wow, you hate GM as much as I hate my older brother! Drove right off the side of a perfectly good freeway onramp, on about a 30 degree crushed rock surface (to prove . Dad ended up later buying a ’95 Olds Cutlass Supreme, which had much better styling inside and out than the Lumina and felt like a much better car. Accessory drive belt from generator. I miss those, Sunday Brunch and Mimosas until you pass out! Door-mounted seatbelts. Both Chrysler and Ford have been through significant, even wrenching, organizational and personnel changes in the last ten years. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. But it still managed to get about 33-35mpg on long trips. It quickly developed an iffy reputation; good luck finding one still running anymore. American Brands: AMC, Jeep and All Others, Tractors, Lawn Mowers, Off-Road Equipment. Correct me if I am wrong but the New Beetle resembling the old one happened by accident? They put the car on the lift and could barely even see the alternator it was so hidden. Some of Paul’s selections as Deadly Sins like the Toronado or 1st and 2nd Generation Sevilles I disagree or can quibble with, but the Lumina and GM10s really were deadly Sins. The coastal people, especially California, like to be different, non conformist, and feel like they operate on higher level thinking (even if they don’t) and well buying a bread and butter car that is popular with the masses in Middle America isn’t going to cut it. GM is not alone in designing cars for a traditional buyer group, Volvo kept going on the fumes of basically two looks (140 and 740/850) for 35 years until the S60 came out in 2000. Another story for another time I guess. BTW I have quite a few friends that are still in the UAW or who have either retired. By 1986, Ford had gone all-in on the Deming Method, going so far as to bring the man himself to the company (I removed probably 20 different Deming tapes from the video archives while I was there). As bad as the X-cars, A-cars, J-cars, etc…were, lots of people of all walks of life drove them. And selling any Chevy with “Euro” plastered all over it to a Californian in the early nineties would have been a heroic feat indeed, after years of pushing the Eurosport Celebrity. In 1995, as college was winding down for me, I test drove a new Monte Carlo Z34 and a MN12 Thunderbird. Well it was a case of having to have some sort of passive restraint but airbags still being to expensive, much less dual airbags, GM started to put airbags in Cadlillacs and the Corvette first, later they started to filter down through the line up. I cannot think of any private business organization on the planet that has spent $7 billion on anything. My ex bvought the last new 2003 grand Prix at our local dealer. 6. 4. View All. The car seemed cheap and floppy, and the doors slammed cheaply . Plus, the Sundance was reliable. Performance Parts and Accessories for your 1991 Chevrolet Lumina Z34. I remember a Pontiac J-body from this period that had switchgear that looked and felt like Tupperware lids. It was supposed to be a Celebrity but who knows maybe Lumina was the original large car size name. This has been discussed to no end in my family over the years as my uncle’s father owned an Oldsmobile franchise from 1966-1996, and always believed that the beginning of the end for Oldsmobile was when the new Cutlasses came out in 1988. The salesman was certified crazy, and actually scared me more than once during the test drive. Make Chevrolet. The car was plenty roomy and the trunk seemed huge. When they first were released, I really didn’t care for them, but over the years they’ve grown on me. The mechanical vacuum pushbutton AC controls were tiny and hard to read in low light. This was to be the highlight of the trip (for me). Ford and Chrysler, even today, have largely been second string players in the world now dominated not just by GM but Toyota and Honda. So it is no surprise that the three cars that I own and drive regularly are a 2010 Camaro SS, 93 Century Wagon (with wood), and a 2008 CTS. if you cross shopped a Lumina with a Dodge Spirit Only, Vs Fords Tempo… I’d pick a Dodge Spirit. And I think it shows in the results Ford had in the 1980s versus GM. Ford had set the standard with the 1986 Taurus and that’s what GM was still aiming at in the early 90’s when Honda, Nissan and Toyota were all really raising the bar for midsize sedans. Chrysler won out after a year of research and fond memories of dad’s gray 1950 Plymouth. And that interior. By the time Iacocca took over in late 1978, Chrysler really only had two things going for it looking towards the future. Craig, you raise some good points. Working in an engineering organization as I do, I appreciate such “war stories.” BTW, I recommend the cable show “How It’s Made” for good examples of how manufacturing engineering & materials handling problems are solved. Buick was on a roll in the 90s with a lot of longtime GM owners buying Buicks. 1991 Chevrolet Lumina Z34 Coupe FWD For Sale. I’m surprised no one has mentioned that huge rear spoiler, which to me is the signature of this car. Being the largest automaker in the US historically GM was always looked upon for acceptance of larger trends. I find these Euro Lumina Z34 interesting and wouldn’t mind having one to play with. We haven’t said a word so far about the Lumina’s styling. We used to call the 3.1 “the cackler” and didn’t mean it as a compliment. (if it still even exists). At least, it was way cooler than the Corsica it replaced. Grey with basket weave wheels, I thought it was pretty good looking at the time. Try doing the same thing on a V6 Honda… Or a Mitsubishi 3000GT or a Nissan 300ZX Turbo. The 1974 Chrysler belts were the worst. You already knew that this is NOT a car on my bucket list. The cars evolved only slowly over time, never on a radical level, although they have improved markedly over time to the point that the 1992 Camry models felt reasonably substantial and not “dinky” which was a predominate viewpoint towards Asian brands for many years. I saw Ford heading the right way then, before they lost it again. The shop called the GM dealer who said you gotta drop the frame…. After spending peanuts on the Fox-body aero-bird, Ford grossly overspent on its replacement, and struggled with its profitability.  Nothing like success to breed expensive mistakes. The consequence for the customer was exceptionally built cars during that time. After returning that piece of garbage to the fleet manager and telling my story, it got a new transmission (under warranty) and within a year or so it was traded for a newly-introduced Dodge Intrepid, which was surprisingly reliable. In Chevy’s defense, ’94 Lumina model year was shortened, since the re-skinned 1995 came out in spring 1994. Call me crazy, but I’be always secretly lusted after one of these, especially in the “Euro” or Z34 trim. I did like the stylings of the Grand Prix of this era. A more youthful styling of the H body would probably have been the best idea. My verdict on the Chevy Lumina Euro 3.1 is a big thumbs up. I love my 1991 Euro 3.1.. I’ve owned it 3 years and it has never let me down. At the time I was really surprized to see the 5-speed manual, but had no idea how rare they really were. A vehicle that he actually won by being the top sales person of the year at his company. Power’s industry-leading valuations data drives NADAguides.com? If you check any parts books (Napa, O’reilly, etc) for any parts of a GM Eurosport model, you will never find that designation listing a different part number over the base model. I could go on and on. This was borne out during the recall events of the last severals years (and I am not going to comment on the recall itself just the management behavior) when the problem went from being a relatively small problem to a crisis that started to look like the Audi thing in the late 1980s. That hasn’t happened since the Bonneville G. Except for the part about ’88 Century. It only has 83000 miles on it. The Lumina and Camry were acquired at the same time. Chevy Lumina / Lumina APV 3.1L 1991, Oil Pressure Switch by Original Engine Management®. Directly over the exhaust pipe. (At least ones that were not heavily managed by the government). It’s the automotive equivalent of a straight to DVD movie. The Dashboard had a narrow slit for the gauges. Even as a rabid GM fanboy, I could tell that this car was not a great effort, mediocre on all fronts. Its since been replaced with a 3rd genration escort with the hubcaps spray painted blue. “Honda can’t survive on just 3 cars” [Accord/Prelude/Civic]. All while the UAW was hand picking which American company to target next for their latest grievance. I do not dispel that there was and is hubris at GM, such things exist in any organization when they reach a sufficient size and maturity in the market. Sundown caught us north of LA and at one point soon after darkness set in I noticed that the car was slowing down dramatically even with my foot deeper into the gas. There is no greater example of this than the W program that we are talking about. I knew many former Cutlass/Monte Carlo owners traded in for Blazers/Jimmys. I do agree with the sociological argument, i.e. The car that Valiant/Volare/Dart/Aspen owners turned to when their A-bodies finally, finally died. Like new with only 23,000 miles on it! At the time my sort of in laws had a Lumina which …had replaced a Celebrity ,which had replaced a caprice…. IIRC it developed electrical problems north of 100k and he donated it. The 2013 Impala is the last of the line, and its replacement is coming on line as we write this. I don’t hear it any more, however. 7. Then took a S-curve offramp a few miles down at 60 mph, waiting until exactly 123 feet from the stop sign at the end to fully engage the antilock brakes (something ached in my chest for a few days afterwards), but we actually did make the sign! Door mounted seat belts and no ABS either. Dark red with wheelcovers and a black luggage rack, and a red interior. Automotive History: The Lowest, Widest and Longest American Production Cars, COAL: 2005 Honda CR-V – It Takes A Licking…. jpcavanagh is right on here. i never liked the name Lumina, it sounds like a dim bulb ,dim wattage.not too bright… Generator to engine fasteners. -2 There was nothing that spoke of quality or luxury inside. It leaked oil like crazy and our mechanic said he doesn’t even touch them. So all in all, I’d say that the General is still hit and miss with their new cars, but they are definitely making nicer interiors. But GM got fat and insular. And imagine a “Camaro Beretta”; Almost happened! We provide a full selection of genuine Chevrolet Lumina Shift Cable, tested and validated by Chevrolet Lumina for fit, form and function. You probably hit that one on the head Paul. The one way that the Lumina was decidedly different from the Taurus was in offering a coupe body style. How did we stray so far? My mother bought one of these horrid collections of parts in 1993. GM had some very loyal customers. And the GM10/W-body Lumina is such a great example of the ‘pinnacle’ Smith reached during his ten-year tenure at the helm of GM (the longest of any GM CEO). Gawd what an awful machine. To 13 year old GM loyalist me, this NEW car seemed elderly and tired. Even routine maintenance, like timing belts and spark plug changes were quite expensive. I eagerly awaited the z34 and bought a black one off the showroom floor as soon as they first came out. Only Chrysler’s interiors can compare in general crappy plastics and cheeziness. You invariably got tangled in a jungle of webbing that made you unplug the seatbelt anyway. And not in a totally bad way, though I always wondered how much water the trunk lid would hold after a rain. Cadillacs used to be king of the luxury car market because, they used to look like well…Cadillacs. I test-drove (or, rather, was the test-passenger) in a Z34 with the 5-speed manual tranny. Domestic automotible policy is generally still viewed through the GM lens with Toyota and Honda now constituting the Big Three in the US marketplace. 10. Battery negative cable from the battery negative terminal. These were cars that could have – and should have – been good, but cost-cutting and various other factors made them end up wholly average and unimpressive. 12m/12k warranty. Completely operable. The mileage was 33 MPG.I have faithfully changed the oil and filter every 3000 miles, as I do all my vehicles. In reality, like Paul said, the “Eurosport” had a stiffer suspension but they used the crappiest, cheapest suspension parts they could get away with. People IDENTIFY with their cars, when you alter the design and cut the links between people and car they will be adrift. The Lumina coupe never sold that well relative to the sedan (e.g., in 1991 roughly 36,000 were produced versus 160,000 for the sedan). Even had an Entera Vipre. 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